People who hate God always focus their attention on His People and His Things.
To hate God requires a person to actively participate in attempting to lesson His Things.
Those who hate God the most, are those who love themselves the most. It is a person’s false belief that they and their things are greater than the LORD GOD and His Things, which lead them to their hatred.
People who hate God want harm to come to His People and His Things. Their greatest pleasure is seeing a faithful and professing Christian fall down with public ridicule. Their daily focus is directed toward the disparagement and condemnation of those who would call themselves Christians. They persecute and malign followers of Christ, and gain a certain degree of worldly power with their actions that falsely convince them that they are more powerful than His People.
They often try to place Christians in their quagmired dramas, to cripple and restrain works by Him. At the same time, God haters work diligently at destroying the credibility and truth of a Christian, and will use lies and manipulations to accomplish their goal.
When God haters take their hatred to their graves, they are promised a very harsh punishment in the Day of Judgment. Sometimes God haters are given chances in their life to redeem their sins against Him, through the acceptance and following of Jesus Christ. Usually, the offer is rejected.
The hatred of those who hate God, are more potent than the love they have for anyone other than themselves. If one of their loved ones betrays them by loving the LORD GOD, that person will face their ridicule and rejection which will eventually lead to direct and purposeful persecution at their hands.
God haters are vain. Everything they do in this life is for nothing. Their works in this world are dead. Their lives are pathetically lived with the self focus of perfectness reflected in the mirror, but absolute wickedness reflected in their ways. They are vulgar, worldly and ugly.
Christians who have contact with God haters must separate themselves from their presence. You cannot save a God hater, and you cannot bring a God hater to Christ. If there is hope of salvation for the God hater, then it comes at the active moving and grace of the LORD GOD, and not in your hands at all. Certainly, a new Christian without a solid foundation of Jesus Christ formed, will never be used to directly bring God haters to Christ. The LORD GOD would never jeopardize one of His new Children for such a difficult task of witness to the infidels in the world.
Leave the God haters to their wicked ways of living. It is vital that Christians separate from their presence, if they are to walk the straight and narrow path of Jesus Christ. To be in the presence of a hater of God, dirties your soul with the wicked things that hatred brings. More importantly, to allow the hatred of God, His People and His Things to be actively expressed in a Christian’s presence, causes the holy temple of the living God to be polluted with the wickedness of that hatred, and lessons the ability to complete His Works as He Wills.
Bucker
“14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (2Co 6:14-18 AV)
To hate God requires a person to actively participate in attempting to lesson His Things.
Those who hate God the most, are those who love themselves the most. It is a person’s false belief that they and their things are greater than the LORD GOD and His Things, which lead them to their hatred.
People who hate God want harm to come to His People and His Things. Their greatest pleasure is seeing a faithful and professing Christian fall down with public ridicule. Their daily focus is directed toward the disparagement and condemnation of those who would call themselves Christians. They persecute and malign followers of Christ, and gain a certain degree of worldly power with their actions that falsely convince them that they are more powerful than His People.
They often try to place Christians in their quagmired dramas, to cripple and restrain works by Him. At the same time, God haters work diligently at destroying the credibility and truth of a Christian, and will use lies and manipulations to accomplish their goal.
When God haters take their hatred to their graves, they are promised a very harsh punishment in the Day of Judgment. Sometimes God haters are given chances in their life to redeem their sins against Him, through the acceptance and following of Jesus Christ. Usually, the offer is rejected.
The hatred of those who hate God, are more potent than the love they have for anyone other than themselves. If one of their loved ones betrays them by loving the LORD GOD, that person will face their ridicule and rejection which will eventually lead to direct and purposeful persecution at their hands.
God haters are vain. Everything they do in this life is for nothing. Their works in this world are dead. Their lives are pathetically lived with the self focus of perfectness reflected in the mirror, but absolute wickedness reflected in their ways. They are vulgar, worldly and ugly.
Christians who have contact with God haters must separate themselves from their presence. You cannot save a God hater, and you cannot bring a God hater to Christ. If there is hope of salvation for the God hater, then it comes at the active moving and grace of the LORD GOD, and not in your hands at all. Certainly, a new Christian without a solid foundation of Jesus Christ formed, will never be used to directly bring God haters to Christ. The LORD GOD would never jeopardize one of His new Children for such a difficult task of witness to the infidels in the world.
Leave the God haters to their wicked ways of living. It is vital that Christians separate from their presence, if they are to walk the straight and narrow path of Jesus Christ. To be in the presence of a hater of God, dirties your soul with the wicked things that hatred brings. More importantly, to allow the hatred of God, His People and His Things to be actively expressed in a Christian’s presence, causes the holy temple of the living God to be polluted with the wickedness of that hatred, and lessons the ability to complete His Works as He Wills.
Bucker
“14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (2Co 6:14-18 AV)
20 comments:
So what do you think about people who don't believe a god(s) exists?
I don't think about people who say they don't belive in the LORD GOD, and I doubt that I ever will...it would be a waste of precious time that could be spent doing the Works He Wills me to do.
One thing for sure...my world seldom, if ever, comes in contact with adament disbelievers. Not only are we separate from them because of our belief, I have a real good suspicion that they separate themselves from me because of theirs.
And if through some cosmic happenstance our worlds collide, neither of us would understand the other, because we speak, see, hear and feel differently from each other...a separation of the highest degree!
David "Bucker" Becker
MR Becker, I must say that i applaud your response and i love your website!!!!! :)
You've made my day brighter! Thanks for your kind words!
David "Bucker" Becker
Personal message to Stan
Stan,
Thank you for your reply; I didn't publish it because there were comments that would be misunderstood, and cause you to be labeled something you are not.
You are not a God-hater. You are a hater of injustice, unrighteousness, hypocrisies,holier than thous, and war and hatred made in the name of God, while doing the works of the devil.
You and I have a whole bunch in common. I hate the same things.
God-haters don't come to my site, and read the things I write. They don't like me, and I don't like them.
I like you. So that proves it...you're not a God hater. You just think you are.
Every once in a while, a thinking man that has seen a whole bunch of unrighteousness perpetuated in the false use of the name of God, and been oppressed by the lies of pretend Christians, Jews and Muslims, throws up his hands in the air, calls it a hatred of god, and begins to form an argument to defend his position.
That might work for most Christian leaders, but I see through it. I know something that you don't know. God has planted a seed inside you to cause you to search; to seek Him. You go to sites with a secret hope that a righteous place, a truthful place might be found, where you can explore the Things of God without being preached to, or witnessed to, or attacked for being a thinking man.
You are welcome here. Read my stuff,and know that I am not perfect, but I strive to do the things of God and walk the walk with Jesus Christ, and regrettably, that many pretend Christians try to copy but never pull off.
Don't stop at this blog, though...get on over to http://www.guidedbiblestudies.com/001foundation.htm where we start building a basic foundation of God.
Well Rev Decker
I do appreciate your response.
Interesting, because I have found many of the "Haters" who claim to be Christian, for example, do not wish to engage me in a discussion of good vs evil, something so basic that it needs to be addressed.
Some great man once said "I have a high opinion of God but a low opinion of religion" I can agree to that. I can also admit, that in my anger and "Throwing my hands up in the air" I do as you said justify a position whereby I say "Why God?" why all the evil done in the name of God ? Perhaps you are correct; perhaps I do not hate God. Perhaps I hate myself LOL and focus that on God, or perhaps, yes, I do hate evil and injustice and know that I do not wish to contribute to a problem. I will say this: IF there is a God, then as an all knowing, universal omnipotent diety, then such a Being would easliy see through my actions and words even when I or anyone else for that matter cannot; If not, then I am just wasting my time. But if along the way I can cause someone to step back and examine their OWN life, their own sense of good or evil and make that decision to do what is morally rightm, what is good and preserves the sanctity of human life, then I have done at least one thing right, regardless of who I think I may hate
Thanks Stan
Stan,
You have a powerful argument of a philosophical, thinking man. I wish your words, and my words could reach the ears of the wicked who do evil in the name of God.
But, the nature of wickedness deafens their ears and hearts, and your intelligent words, and my words of faith will never be considered ever. Basically, you and I are preaching to the choir, from different aspects, but with the same message.
We're shouting out don't pretend to be righteous and of God, while remaining in the condition of sin. Now you would put it another way, but that's the words I use in my job.
See, pretend Christians go all day calling themselves sinners saved, but if the LORD God has not convicted them of that terrible, shameful, repugnant condition of their heart, then they are not saved. They can say the words all they want, and use magical thinking, or pompous foolishness, and declare themselves better and saved, but if they don't fear and humble themselves before God, they are a sham.
That is the problem with religion today my friend. Too often religion is a place to perpetuate the worst of all human acts, and then cover them up with the religious tags of believers.
Christianity is not a RELIGION! Christianity is a state of being. Every true Christian that has been saved by the blood of Jesus Christ is given the ability to discern both good and evil. Christianity is not a way of life, it is life itself. True Christians give complete control of their lives to God, and God never accomplishes wickedness; mankind has that part covered perfectly in their sinful and fallen state.
So, basically, you and I are in the same boat. You have the discernment of evil and good through an intellectual process that has served you well in your life. I have a discernment of evil and good through my faith in Jesus Christ. Neither of us will ever be heard by the deaf ears of a wicked people!
And sadly, the best wicked like to emulate your kind, the deep thinkers, and my kind the deeply faithful, and pretend to be us. How lucky are we to be sullied by their pretend games!
Thankfully, the stronger I become in the Kingdom of God, the more the pretenders stay away from me. I hope that is the case for you as a deep thinker also, and suspect it might be to your reference about how pretend Christians don't engage you in discussion.
Once again, my friend, we are in the same boat. We just aren't very liked by those who do not have the ability to discern; they know we know something they don't and they sure don't want to be in a place of debate with us.
We have one other thing in common. God has given your heart and ears the ability to discern in thought. In the end, it is God who grants each that ability. Sometimes God gives deep thinkers that ability to move things according to His Will, and sometimes He does it to make that deep thinker realize how desperately in trouble he is in this very fallen world, to bring the thinker closer to Him.
Thanks for the great start of a day...it's really nice talking to a discerning man of thought.
David "Bucker" Becker
Maybe if so many of God's people weren't such wretched, hateful, hypocrites themselves, there wouldn't be so many God haters like me. I'm the victim of the hatred of several Christians in my life. I became convinced because of that and so many other tragic things in my life, that God hates me, so in fact, I hated God after He hated me AND especially after His people hated me.
Bet you never considered that. You and most of your fellow Christians think people like me are filthy pigs. However, your people had a very big hand in helping create me this way.
Anonymous,
Sadly, you have been tricked. Christians aren't wretched, hateful, hypocrites; if they act that way, they are not Christians.
Consider this...
You might have been tricked by evil, wretched demons who pretended to be Christians, to cause you to think that God hated you, and forced you to turn away from Him.
I doubt that I would consider you a filthy pig, because I never think of people's souls in that way. In fact, every true Christian I know doesn't even know how to think that way. Just by your description of pretend Christians reactions to you, there is no doubt in my mind that you have been both tricked and turned away from God purposely by the devil.
Which tells me that the devil and his minions must fear that you will one day come close to God, and become a significant force against them. Thus, they tricked you, to prevent just that.
Things are not always how they seem. You are welcome to comment, if it is done to further our conversation in a respectful way.
David "Bucker" Becker
If I've been tricked, it's only because God has chosen not to shine through that trickery. I'm only human.
For me, He has always chosen not to shine through any of the troubles in my life to reveal Himself. There is no amount of preaching that a human being can do in front of me anymore than can make any difference. To me, it's always going to be a human talking.
To me, it's always going to be a human interpreting the Bible, as there are 1,000s of ways to do so and 1,000s of different churches.
I don't fit in any of them and I've been to many different kinds.
When God decides to pop his head out of the clouds and talk directly to me, then I will believe He is interested in me.
Until then, I'm not budging an inch. I have far too many years of life experience to forget what has happened to me. I'm jaded and skeptical beyond your ability to understand. I am hardened in the way that I find myself and feel no shame about it. That is not to say that I feel pride in my sin because I don't.
My faith used to be measurable. Now I am pretty certain there is absolutely no faith in me whatsoever. The fact that I talk to you as if I were even concerned about this will mislead you into thinking otherwise. I truly don't care about God, Jesus, Christianity, the Bible, praying, church, His 'people' or anything related to those things anymore. They have proven to be completely irrelevant to my life.
Yes, there is a God. But He's your God and the God of everyone He has chosen. He is not my God and He may never be. He never chose me. He never showed any interest in my life. He has abandoned me from the day I was born and that was His intention for me.
God chose some to be saved, and to others he appointed destruction - before they were born. That's where I stand and I realize there's nothing I can do about it, so I don't ever worry about it anymore.
I live in as much peace as I did when I was trying to be a Christian many years ago, and perhaps even more. I have suffered no more or less. I am more successful as a non-believer than I ever was as a believer.
The signs all point to the fact I should continue on my course. God has done nothing to show me any other better way, other than to use his people to deeply hurt me more than any unbeliever ever has, including my father.
I need no one, not even God. My life has proven I only need myself and someday I will not be sufficient to myself and will be gone from this life.
Anonymous,
Okay, you're getting me a little confused because you're talking about two sets of people, and two different conditions of coming to the Lord.
So, bear with me, as I explain things a little bit, so we're talking on the same page.
First, let me tell you that you could be exactly right. God doesn't belong to whomever chooses Him, it is in the reverse. It is whomever God chooses to allow to come closer to Him. That is an important concept that pretend Christians have never gotten, and I applaud you for your spiritual acuity in recognizing that fact.
Second, there are three ways a person can come through the LORD God by Jesus Christ. Either being called, chosen or faithful. Faith in Jesus Christ is a ticket to salvation. You don't have to be one of the predestined, prechosen ones for salvation.
Third, the people that you have run into in your attempts at Christianity (You never were a true Christian, probably, because if you had walked away at that point, you would be wicked; and you are not wicked), were not real Christians but pretend Christians.
Fourth, they fed you a bunch of bull pucky, to drive you away. They probably have damaged your spiritual being beyond repair. They will be held accountable by God one day for what they have done to you.
Fifth, apparently God is giving you another chance to hear His Truth. With you, I'm not certain He is choosing you at this point, but I know for certain He wants you to look at things in Truth, and not in the way the fake Christians have told their lies to you over the years.
Sixth, if you become a Christian in faith, or stay an agnostic in heart, your life will probably be about the same at this point, regardless of your decision (That is if I am analyzing your maturity correctly). A life of Christianity sometimes gives a path choices depending on how God wants us to serve; however, for the most part, Christians and non-Christians experience the same frustrations and joys in this world together.
Seventh, you are so right in that you need no one in this world. You have figured out how to navigate it, and control it, and move it according to your will. With one in so much power over his life, it is often perplexing to him why they would need a God and Savior to order their spirit.
Eighth, that's not my job to figure out either way. My job is a Bible Teacher, and I teach the Truth of God everyday, and I teach it to anyone He brings to me. If He brings you to me, I will teach you. One of the biggest problems out there in the Christian world, is the pathetic pretenders who choose their Bible teachers the way they choose everything else in life...if it glitters and is popular with everyone else, it must be good.
Truth is different. God has many True Bible Teachers out there, but they are not standing in big church pulpits or on TV. He has them scattered throughout the world, and when He wants someone to hear the Truth, it is to those teachers a person is brought.
You have been moved to discover me. He wants you to hear the truth. He knows I'll speak His truth to you. Now you just have to tell me whether you want me whether you are hearing what I am saying, so I can go on to teach you the things He wills.
David "Bucker" Becker
The 'christian' 'church' in America is so overly (but very disingenously) spiritual and inward-looking as to be of no earthly good.
They are selfish and insensitive people, more so even than non-believers. They are all mouth and no walk, all hat and no cattle.
I've yet to meet a genuine Christian anywhere and I've probably been alive longer than you.
They all think God owes them their salvation. And it's like the old attitude "I've got me, you get yours".
This is the same attitude you see in neighborhoods where people own a nice home and have a large SUV.
They care about themselves and their immediate family, and screw everyone else. They are ALL like that.
That is truly your average fat-assed American 'christian'.
There are no real ones. All are pretenders. How are you not a pretender? Explain what you are DOING apart from proslytizing that makes you an actual, real Christian.
Okay Anonymous,
I'll give you a little bit more attention, but you deserve less than that. Any person that is not able to stand publicly with his real name and declare his allegiance to his belief has no belief worth declaring.
My name is David Becker. My Lord and Savior is the risen Jesus Christ. I strive daily to learn, follow and teach His Word. Every moment of my life is dedicated to His Will and Way, even when I talk to cowards who hide behind the shadows in the Internet.
I've told you once; I'm willing to teach you the things of Christ if God is bringing you to me to learn His Things. However, your approach shows me that you are merely a common person that truly desires attention more than he desires God.
No worries...I will not be proselytizing to you. Go away. Go to the people who teach your belief, and let them tell you how smart you are. I doubt, however, that there will be any such person that is able to teach you, because you are convinced of your own rightness. So, look in a mirror, and teach yourself.
Our site, my works, the Lord's moving, is toward those who hunger for His Word. It is not for the pleasure of the vain and the lost, the pretenders nor the profane.
If you are not one that hungers for the Word of God, who wants to come closer toward Him in faith, then go away. I'm not a pretend Christian who has need to embrace you for the sake of appearance.
If you are hungry, if you want to learn the truth through deep study of the Word of God, my offer still stands. I will teach you the things He Wills.
But the baiting must stop, and the respect must be given to me; think about it...I might well have the key to open the Truth about the way you will be saved from your pathetic life.
You're challenging the wrong Christian. Instead, you should choose one that has no answers, no path, no teachings that can benefit you...that way when you piss them off, it doesn't harm you also! Makes sense to me!
If you didn't want to invite anonymous postings from cowards like the previous poster, why would you even allow them or post them?
It's your blog.
In any event, I find myself somewhat in agreement with that person. Many (most) Christians are mean, selfish, spiteful people, who are constantly in a state of being ready to go off on someone because they are constantly trying to impress people by straining to hold their temperment all the time, and it finally one day catches up with them and they let it go on someone -- oops!
In that sense, they are kind of phony. They should just be real and stop trying to pretend they are nicer than average people, when in fact they are not -- perhaps the previous poster might be right in that they are worse than the average Christian. At least the average non-believer gets things off his chest, doesn't pretend to be Mr. Nice all the time and then moves on.
It's what you have to do to keep yourself sane, but it's not what Christianity teaches. You guys are sort of conflicted all the time.
Thanks for your visit and participation by commenting in my blog!
Don't assume that real Christians have the same nature as pretend Christians. Real Christians have real lives, with real emotions, and real expressions of human disappointment, anger, love and regret. Granted, real Christians are often rejected in the midst of a congregation of pretend Christians; however, real Christians walk the way of Christ without pathetic pretense of of a pansied petunia, if you know what I mean.
We're probably closer to belief concerning this issue than you would think. I don't like phonies either, and feel like knocking that perpetual smile of fakeness off a pretender's face.
Our Lord and Savior was not a wimp; he had real emotion and expressed Himself truthfully; those who really follow after His teachings emulate His Way! That means an expression of Truth and honesty, no matter who is watching.
Is it OK for Christians to tell other people off by saying "I'm praying for you"?
I've noticed that anytime a Christian doesn't want anything to do with me, that's what they say.
It's so terribly common, I doubt any actual praying happens.
They already have all their blessings (new house, new SUV, beautiful wife and kids), and just want me out of their life.
Makes me sick.
Are you like that?
Nope.
That's good.
Haven't quite got all the angst out of my system yet and I may never. There's a lifetime's worth.
You have to have lived well over 40 years and experienced firsthand all the back-stabbing, selfishness and extremes one way or another in doctrine that I've seen to know how I feel 100% of the time these days.
In addition, you have to have been raised in a hugely dysfunctional, physically and verbally violent, and religiously divided family that was nominally Christian, but never all went to church together.
No secret I'm bitter toward the church, God's people, and especially God Himself all the time anymore. The bitterness never leaves me for a second and there is no hope for me, as there is no hope for anyone God has predestined to the fire.
God has ignored me, allowed my entire life to be ruined beyond recovery, and has denied me left and right everything that could have set me on the right path to helping me stay under His wing, and put stumbling blocks all along my path to completely blow me off the path whenever I dared try.
So, I don't care about God or what He wants anymore, because I've seen what God wants with me already and I want nothing to do with Him.
Too bad God didn't pick me, like you say He picked you. I suppose I'd be doing a little of what you're doing also in that circumstance. I used to be on your side, but no more. God has never responded to me - ever, so it's obvious He wants me to continue doing what I'm doing now and that's all I can do.
You should count yourself blessed if you really are one of His.
Not everyone can be, even if they wanted to be. No choice involved.
If God turned His back on me, I would be destroyed with utter despair; that you are able to even express this terrible dilemma speaks of your desperation in coming to terms with that rejection.
But, is He rejecting you? And have you finished seeking? You have come to my blog many times; either you come to taunt me or to challenge me or to call me out. But what if you keep coming my way, in hopes that there may be Truth to what I teach. What if I have stirred something inside you that has made you realize that not all hope for communion with God is lost?
What if God is speaking through me to you? If He is, then He has quit rejecting you totally! If He is not, then my words would not be filled with Truth!
I'm not going to be a big shot and to pretend to understand the terrible pains you have felt from spiritual abuse and abandonment. Certainly, when I read your letters, I realize how very blessed I am to have my Lord Jesus Christ bring me closer to the presence of God. I would not want to be in your life.
But then again...you have a chance. You're not dead yet. So many fools out there don't realize how bad it is without God. YOU DO! That causes you to hunger and seek, whether you want to consciously or not! You still have a chance.
I am a very, very wise and good Bible Teacher and man of God. I can tell you, without reservation, that hope is not lost until you draw your last breath. If you are coming to this site, you are seeking God, and God is answering you back through me.
That does not seem to be the God you have been tricked into thinking...apparently the LORD God is bigger and holier and more just than the wicked people that have prevented your from coming to Him.
To Anonymous,
From the start, I told you that I expected respectful communication. I acknowledge your frustration and the demons that have taken advantage of your situation, and offered you a chance to receive the things of God if it was His Will. I am not, however, offering you the chance to profane or curse my LORD God with your vulgar outbursts. You have crossed the line.
There is a fine line toward anger and attack, and your words, I'm positive, have brought you much attention from the religious people over the years. However, quite frankly, you never really got my interest that much.
However, your desire to spit upon my LORD God, has brought my attention to you fully. I command you in the name of my Lord Jesus Christ to leave my presence; and I pray that you receive full retribution of His wrath if you choose to continue to utter profanity against Him.
Every belief has a line; and you have just crossed mine.
David "Bucker" Becker
Post a Comment