I just read your post on salvation and baptism, and I think I understand. Are you saying that the term born again happens in Baptism, rather than in faith?
Faith saves, Baptism brings death. Those two concepts are completely opposite of each other.
Our faith in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, and our acceptance of Him as Savior guarantees we will have eternal life.
Baptism is the grave. When we go under the baptismal waters, we are put to death. Our old natures, our original sin, cannot survive without a living host; thus when we go under the baptismal waters, the original sin is released. Because Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave, we are able to resurrect also. As we come out of our baptismal grave, we are born again, born a new man, without original sin attached to us.
Once we have died in baptism, we are born again, without original sin and we can never die again. That’s why baptized Christians go immediately to Heaven upon their death, where they will rest for awhile, until they assume their new lives on the New Earth. The unbaptized believers sleep in their graves, until Jesus awakens them just before His Last Judgment; they too live forever on, and assume their lives on the New Earth. Even the unbaptized only die once!
Faith saves, Baptism brings death. Those two concepts are completely opposite of each other.
Our faith in Christ’s sacrifice for our sins, and our acceptance of Him as Savior guarantees we will have eternal life.
Baptism is the grave. When we go under the baptismal waters, we are put to death. Our old natures, our original sin, cannot survive without a living host; thus when we go under the baptismal waters, the original sin is released. Because Jesus Christ resurrected from the grave, we are able to resurrect also. As we come out of our baptismal grave, we are born again, born a new man, without original sin attached to us.
Once we have died in baptism, we are born again, without original sin and we can never die again. That’s why baptized Christians go immediately to Heaven upon their death, where they will rest for awhile, until they assume their new lives on the New Earth. The unbaptized believers sleep in their graves, until Jesus awakens them just before His Last Judgment; they too live forever on, and assume their lives on the New Earth. Even the unbaptized only die once!
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I guess you are right you die when you are baptised and then when pulled from the water you are reborn without your former sins. Its like being forgiven
It IS being forgiven. The baptism of water is a symbol of the old creature dying and the new clean man arising. However, being "born again" is not only in the waters of baptism. Any person can go into the water and be baptized and that does not mean they are saved. Being "born again" is a change of a man's heart, repentance for his sin, a turning away from the old things, a clean heart that has confessed his sin to God and asked for forgiveness, born again in your heart, not just in water. The water is only a symbol, but the real born again is in a man's heart. And receiving the Holy Spirit through faith is the seal that the Lord has given to us that we are his child. Unless you repent, and have a change of your life and heart, the water baptism will not save you.
I guess I really meant to say that being "born again" must happen before you are actually baptized. The process of the Holy Spirit must work in you before you have the baptism to convert you. You must be born again in your thoughts, converted and changed your heart, your repentance, etc, and the water baptism is the symbol, and the Holy Spirit is the seal.
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